Archive for Croucher’s Local Knowledge

Copper Creek on an Overcast Saturday…

If you want one course to play this year that you don’t mind spending a bit of moola on, then play Doug Carrick’s gem in Kleinburg called Copper Creek. This course in my opinion, is one of the nicest, friendliest, let everyone go play courses in the GTA, and probably in Ontario.

The BC, the Dromodir, his buddy Mike and I played this track a few weeks ago, and I think that everyone had a pretty good time. BC shot a 100 which in my opinion wasn’t as bad as it sounds and I played ok. The course was in great condition, the staff are all top-notch, and the surroundings are second to none.

From the tips a respectable 7000+ and from the whites, (forward tees) a longer than it looks 6100. We play some courses, the BC and I, that are 6K in length, and they don’t look or feel at all like playing from the whites at the Creek. I played from the blues, but next time out, I’m going back to the copper tees. I like the back tees, and it lets me use more clubs oddly enough.

But I digress and talk too much, off to the first tee. Which by the way, is near the nicely laid out driving range and large putting green.

The first hole lets you unleash that driver kiddies. A dogleg left Par 5 that goes from 465 to 508. Water on the left, and sandtraps down most of the right. In fact, buddy Mike, was on the world bunker tour on this hole. He was in every one I think. Largeish green that has a few swales in it makes you be accurate with your approach or pitch. Also look out for the false front. Read the rest of this entry »

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Wooden Sticks…or How the BC didn’t get his ass handed to him

Played Wooden Sticks last Sunday. Bought a Spring special, that gave us, for 140$, a very nice windshirt of our choosing, two meals, fully stocked cart, the range and a CPGA pro to help us, and the round of golf. So, I figure, the round cost us about 50 bucks. Not too bad for such a nice, playable course.

the BC’s main worry about the day, if indeed he had one, was that he was going to have his ass handed to him. Well GOLF fans, he didn’t. In fact, he and Amir the Dromodir played quite well. That picture you can see on the main page of Amir swinging was on number 4 (Augusta #12) and the shot was a nice layup to the Par 5 resulting I believe in a Par. But I get ahead of myself.

Had a little frost delay at the start of the day, about 30 minutes, but hey, when the starter tells you that the round is playing 5 hours, meaning, have fun, don’t rush overly and enjoy the day, 30 minutes isn’t anything to bitch about.

To give you some background on the course, Woooden Sticks is owned by Gary Roberts of NHL fame and others, and is up in the beautiful town of Uxbridge. They have created a course that has 9 replica holes and nine originals. I happen to like the originals better, but for most of us, myself included, the nine replica holes may be the closeset we will ever get to those courses, so hey, play and enjoy! Read the rest of this entry »

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Remington-Parkview…the Upper Course

We may have menitoned this course before somewhere on this blogsite. I count it as our home course, (closer to my home) even though Tim counts Seaton (closer to his). I grew up playing Parkview way back in the day, and now that Remington Homes have purchased it, it has only gotten better. They have really kept this course in great shape this year, bought 200 new carts, and cleaned things up. Apart from all the goose-shit on certain holes, and the hydro wires (you get a free shot if you clang one off them) this is a nice walk or ride on a Sunday morning.

The back tees play around 6400 but I think that is generous. Don’t be put off by playing from the back tees here, the whites aren’t always that far in front so don’t make too much of a difference in length.

The course map for this pleasant track can be found here, but I will give you my thoughts on getting around without too much strain as well. Read the rest of this entry »

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Timacuan Golf…Or my new Favourite course

Timacuan Golf Club. Timacuan defined means this or as close to this as is possible. Timacuan Golf Club in Lake Mary, Florida, located some 35 miles from Orlando is my new hot golf course for those of you who can escape the crap that is a Canadian winter and travel to the warmer and sunnier climes to get a little white sphere testing in.

I loved this little course. From the tips around 6900 yards or so, and from the blues a very easily played 6400 yards or so. You know how most courses, and I mean, the longer courses, not the bright lights and windmills ones, don’t set up that well? I mean, how does each hole fit your eye? Can you see your second shot, or where you want your second shot to be played from, from off the tee? On this wonderful little mid-Florida gem, you most certianly can. From the first to the eighteenth, you are able, in my opinion, to see where you want to be when playing your approach shot before you even tee off.

As with most Florida courses, the old aqua vita, the wonderful H2O, the charming water of life is present, present even when you can’t see it. Keep this in mind.

My brother and I played this course in 3 very different conditions on the same day, overcast and a little rain, partially sunny/cloudy and some wind, and bright blue skies, sunny, and calm conditions. Honestly? I like the first and the last, but all 3 you could play in. This course makes you think about where you want to be, how you want to get there and what you want to do when you got there. It is also very visually pleasing to the eye. The front nine is more open than the back, and the back has some nice trees to think about when you make your way around the landscape, but as mentioned before, the water is there whether you like it or not.

I’m still going over my notes on the layout of the course, and I will try to link a course map for you to see, so stay tuned. I will update this post as I get some more ideas.

Till then,

Keep it in the short grass,

Boom-boom

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Just a neat thing to have around…

So, in poking around, I came across this cool website that lets you see the course maps of tons of courses. Great for seeing what you will be playing if you have never played it before.

Click here –> CLICK <– ereh kcilC

keep it in the short grass

b-b

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Course notes for the Meadow Nest 18 at Hawk Ridge GC

 As has been mentioned on this site recently, Tim, and now I, have played up at Hawk Ridge GC in Orillia. Have to say, really big fan thus far. In keeping with what might very well become a tradition here on G.O.L.F. I will give you my thoughts on how to get around this fairly long track with the minimal amount of bloodshed and balls lost. So, without further chatter from me, here we go… (keep in mind, we played from basically the back tees, so let that be in your head if you play from the whites)

Number one is a pretty fair opening hole. For the bombers out there, you can get to the other side of the creek (about 3 and change) and have an easy run up to this large tiered green. For the rest of us, play your shot to the 200 or 150 marker, staying to the middle, middle-right of the fairway.Keeping the little creek that is about 50 yards in front of the green in mind, hit a nice high and soft shot into the pin. I advise you to keep below the hole though.

Number two is another decent Par 4 that doesn’t offer too much in the way of trouble. You really do want to be on the left center of the fairway though, as the approach shot needs to be bang on to this tightly guarded green that has a little creek in front, and trees on either side. Read the rest of this entry »

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Seaton Golf Course Review; World Golf Predictions Part II [BC's Gettin' A Muffin!]

Here’s the current leaderboard after Round Two at the American Express Championship. If it were anyone else, I wouldn’t think too much of it, but it’s Tiger and I’ve got to think I’m winning a muffin. Of course, it’s only fair to point out that picking Tiger to win a tournament is like picking Lance Armstrong to win the Tour. It’s not like I’m going out on a limb here. Any Moving Day Predictions, anyone? Feel free to comment.

Anyhow, as Tiger looks to deny Furyk AGAIN on Sunday, I figure I could fill in some time with another Ontario golf course review.

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SEATON GOLF & COUNTRY CLUB

2665 Brock Road
Pickering, ON L1V 2P8
Clubhouse: 905-683-3822

CATEGORY / RATING [out of 5]
Beauty – 3.5
Strategy – 3
Challenge – 3.5
Design – 3
Par 3 Holes – 3
Par 4 Holes – 4
Par 5 Holes – 3.5
Conditioning – 4
Fun – 4
Course Service – 3
Pace of Play – 3.5
Value for Money- 4.5
Food Quality – 3
Walkability – Good
Over All Rating – 4

For Scoregolf‘s Course Rating, click HERE

NOTES: I’d better come clean by saying that I consider Seaton to be our foursome’s home course, and therefore I’m obviously a biased fan of it. Amir doesn’t like it all that much, but the rest of us do: for $55 on a Sunday morning with cart, it can’t be beat, baby.

There’s some challenging little holes [Croucher has great local knowledge here he'll share with you, but the 7th is the toughest, and the 6th through 10th can really test you], and in general Seaton’s a great bang for your buck. If you’re like me and unable or unwilling to play $100+ golf courses around Ontario, you’re probably going to enjoy Seaton as much as I do. There’s no really stupidly-designed holes, the pin placement is almost always fair to us duffers, and the food at the clubhouse is edible. It’s a 6018 yard, par 70 course, so it’s walkable, and it’s not overly hilly, so you won’t feel like you need a mountain goat to carry your bags like you might at Dentonia. Here’s a course outline:

The bottom line at this place is that if you’re a weekend golfer looking to have some fun and be challenged a little bit without feeling beat up on by the course, Seaton’s worth the drive from anywhere in the GTA.

If you’re going, tell Mark that Kevin Croucher and his gang sent you. It probably won’t do you any good, but it might get us something!

CROUCHER’S LOCAL KNOWLEDGE: SEATON G&CC

[Kevin originally posted his words of advice as a comment, but it deserves it's own section.]

Stay to the left-centre of #3 and you will be rewarded with an easy chip to a longer than wide green.

IF you have the cojones for it, stay down the roadside of the fairway on #4. This will leave you with a nice approach into a very undulating green. If you do go up the right, be smart, chip back to the front edge of the green area, get up and down, and walk away with a 4.

Don’t be a hero on #5. Hit it to the 150 marker and stay to the left of this green. It runs away towards the east, and it is protected by a steep faced bunker.

Right is might on #6 if you have to bail anywhere, and oh yeah, stay below the hole. You may as well, because if you don’t and you hit your putt too hard, you will be there anyhow. Save a stroke, play smart.

On #7 you have three choices. Be scared by the trees in front and to the right. Let the trees on the left, and the hydro wires make your tummy turn, or you can block them all out, hit a club that will get you to the other side of the hill, shading to the left a bit, (not too far though as you will see when you get up there) and hit an easy second shot into a fair green and walk away with a par. Really easy to type, not so easy to do.

#8 is a nice, all carry Par 3 with a protecting bunker, and a hidden from the tee, very long, flat, fast green. Tight tee shot with trees on both sides, so hit a club that you can either carry 200 yards (from the blues) or bail to the landing area on the hill side. Either way, if you get a 4 on this hole, high fives all ’round, and walk quickly to #9.

#9 is about 310 yards fom the back tees, and if you stop and think about it, you can get a four on this hole without too much trouble. It looks hard, seems hard, but if you hit whatever club can get you to the 150 marker, hit another one that can get you 150 yards on an uphill track, then the only thing you will really have to worry about is the green which is quick front to back. So you get a 5. Take it and get to the clubhouse for a snackie-poo and you have made your turn.

# 10 is fairly straight forward. A 400 yards or so Par 4 that you should play on the right-center of the fairway. Longish green with a little slope at the front. Should be a nice 4/5.

I like #11, especially standing on the green during the fall and looking back up the hill. Gorgeous colours and a nice view. This is a downhill Par 4 that you can let it all out on. Play down what seems the right, but is really the centre of the fairway. Although, you can play down the left and your approach shot isnt that hard either. Big green that has a few big slopes on it. If you come in from the left you can land on the hilly side of the green and run the ball down to somewhere near the pin.

I HATE 12!!! Therefore, I say never speak of it again.

13 is a good Par 5 that you need to have your brain-cells meshing on. Out of bounds all the way down the right, and a pinched in fairway near the 150 marker with a freaking stupid big tree right in the middle up by the 100 yard pin. And if that isn’t enough, a bloody pond is to the left of the green that is deceptive. Hit your tee shot to the leftish center of the fairway. If you can hit a 3-wood or 5 wood long, then go at the green. If not, then be smart, hit it somewhere up near the 150-125 yard mark, and hit a high wedge into the green. You do that, and you can walk away with a par. Don’t do it, and you walk away with a double.

On 14 go at the 150 marker off the tee. Really. Downhill from there with a big green that is fast and runs away to the back.

# 15 is an all carry Par 3 that you will love in the Spring/Fall and hate in the Summer. This green slopes dramtically to the front so hit it high, land it soft and walk away quickly if you get anything less than a 5.

We are now in the home stretch. The tee shot on 16 needs to be more left than right, as the hole is a 90 degree dogleg right that will punish you for being a Republican. Just for this hole be a centrist, or even, dare I say it, a small L, liberal. The green, when you get there runs faster than Ben Johnson from left to right, so be smart. Play to the swale in front, and putt it in.

# 17 you can almost drive if you can hit it 300 or so. If not, stay in the middle, land your approach in front (not when it is wet though,) and keep in mind this is a small green that is very quick. Flat, but quick.

Let it all hang out on 18. You can get home from really anywhere in the fairway. (I said ‘fairway’ Tim). Big flat green, with only a few little bumps.

- Kevin

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